began is that there have been attacks by helicopters on the site of the hostage takers, and it would happen when hostage- takers were trying to move hostages around the site, and helicopters fired on them with some kind of missile, and they are saying 34 hostages and 15 hostage-takers were killed. we have no way of verifying that, but as i say, it is clear something has happened. >> of course, we will be watching that closely for an independent verification. obviously, this hostage-taking was an extremely immediate retaliation for what france has been doing. what is france saying about the ?ostage crisis? >> we have to be careful in the way we assess the hostage crisis and how it all happen. yes, it does seem that -- inevitable that there is a link with the mali situation.